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http://business.rediff.com/slide ... -aam-aadmi-says.htm
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Can India ever beat China? Here’’s what the aam aadmi says
In a recent interview with rediff.com, Professor Arvind Panagariya had said that economic power would shift from the Western nations to Asia and China, and India would emerge as a major economic power.Panagariya is a professor of Economics and Jagdish Bhagwati Professor of Indian Political Economy at the Columbia University in New York."In 15 years . . .we will more or less become what China is today and that will make us the fourth largest or maybe even third economy in the world," he had said.
Nobel Laureate Amartya Sen wrote in Asia Society: ". . . China is quite a big figure in Indian thinking and has always been so. In 7th century when Xuanzang left India and went back to China after having spent about a decade in India, he asked rather implausibly the question, ’’Is there anyone in India who does not admire China fully?’’ This is the nice 7th century question. It is a serious question and of course it is coming in many different forms."
In the same article, Sen pointed out that "China’’s success in economic growth and the number of poorer people going down have been radically high. But let me mention here a slight contrast. The Chinese -- if the world has many fewer poorer people today in terms of lowness of income, and that is indeed the case, the biggest contribution of that has come from China. The second biggest is India but quite a big distance behind China."
Do you believe in this argument? Does India have what it takes to surpass China in terms of economic growth and prosperity, or at least catch up with the Dragon over the next few decades?
We asked common people to speak on the issue and came across some interesting viewpoints.
在最近的一次采访中，阿尔文德·帕纳加里亚教授（印度裔美国人，在哥伦比亚大学经济系任教授，前亚洲发展银行首席经济学家——by维基百科，译者注）说：“世界经济重心将从西方世界转移到亚洲和中国，印度也将作为一个主要经济力量而崛起。在15年之内，我们将取得中国现在的地位，并成为世界第4甚至第3大经济体。”
诺贝尔经济学奖获得者阿玛蒂亚·森（印度人，但他一生多数时间却在英美两国。只是由于他未放弃印度国藉而非为印度长期工作才成为首位诺贝尔奖印裔得主。——译者注）说过：“……中国一直以来都是印度人想达到的榜样，7世纪时，唐玄奘在印度待了十年后回到中国，他难以置信的问道：‘在印度就没有人不对中国感到五体投地吗？’在7世纪，这是个很好的发问。这个问题值得我们认真对待，同时它也涉及到方方面面。”他同时指出：“中国在经济增长和减少贫困人口这两方面都相当迅速。但与此同时，在减少贫困人口这方面，中国的确做出最大的贡献。印度则是第二名，并且我们远远落在中国之后。”
你相信这些言论吗？印度有能力变得比中国更加繁荣富有吗？或者至少在未来的十来年内取得和中国一样的地位？
诚邀各位来聊聊看法，期待你们的智慧火花。
（下面是评论，从最新的开始。他们好像都加了标题）
by rajesh nair (View MyPage) on Sep 07, 2010 05:37 PM | Hide replies
yes India can... if population is the only criterion!!
我们能…如果人口是唯一的判断标准的话！！
by Dhruba Sarma (View MyPage) on Sep 07, 2010 10:41 AM | Hide replies
Indians comparing themselves with China all the time , its pathetic . Chinese are hard working people with a can do spirit . They are way ahead of India in the fields , factories , sports, and the battlefield.They walk with pride and respect in international streets . On the other hand Indians peddle ahimsa, some spiritual mumbo-jumbo and little else. It’’s pathetic.
印度人老爱和中国人比，真是杯具。中国人很勤奋，又有开拓精神。他们不管是农业、工业、体育还是打仗都比印度强。他们在国际上既骄傲也受尊敬。而印度呢，兜售不杀生主义，什么神秘的精神力量和别的零碎。杯具。”
by Dhruba Sarma (View MyPage) on Sep 07, 2010 10:42 AM
And I forgot . Indians also get thrashed i international cities without hitting back .
对了，在国际化的都市里，印度人饱受摧残而毫无还手之力。
Taking India Ahead
为印度之崛起
by Bob Shivaram (View MyPage) on Sep 07, 2010 10:04 AM | Hide replies
China has a planned, sustained and agressive growth model and herein lies the difference. The political scenario in India is so divided in promoting oneself at any cost and paying lip service to national interest is the bane of the Indian society at large. Democracy is fine , but coalition politics will always hold us back. Today India is 50 years behind China in development. Infrastructure is the key. At the current rate the gap will only widen.Regional interests cannot outweigh national prioirities.Correct this anomaly and we will have half the job done. Look at the Government’’s inability to resolve land aquisition problems for starters.In addition we have two major issues threathening us . The first being corruption and the second the loss of over 20 % of the land to naxalites where it is there writ that operates.Now we have all kinds of troublesd on our borders - the most alarming being the Chinese themselves.Simply put the answer lies in getting national and regional parties to agree on a common agenda and policy guideline for tackling the issues that are a major cause of concern and an impediment to our progress.
中国有一个计划好的、可持续的并且积极进取的模式，这就是区别。印度的政策是四分五裂的，政客不计代价的推销自己、开空头支票，这祸害了整个印度社会。民煮固然好，但是一盘散沙的政策会永远阻碍我们。如今印度落后中国50年。基础设施是关键，而目前的状况只会拉大差距。地区利益不能高于國镓利益。纠正这个错误我们就已经事半功倍了。看看印度炡椨在处理土地兼并问题上一开始就表现得多么无能。此外我们还面临两个严重威胁；一是腐败，二是纳尔逊分子（亦称印度珙产黨——译者）。后者可能夺走超过全国五分之一的土地。今天我们的边境上有各种各样的麻烦，其中最让人担心的就来自中国。对于这个问题，我们只要在國镓与地区之间达成一致，再制订一个抓住问题的政策方针就好了。
Overdose of Democracy
过份民煮
by digant pathak (View MyPage) on Sep 07, 2010 09:33 AM | Hide replies
It would be difficult to reach the level of China as in India we have overdose of democracy which provides huge scope for anti development protest, destruction of public property in the name of agitations.
如果我们继续这么过份民煮下去，要赶上中国，很难。这样的民煮纵容了反对发展的抗议，还有对毁坏公共财产的煽动。
No need of comparision
不需要比较
by neearj Thapliya (View MyPage) on Sep 06, 2010 10:18 PM | Hide replies
Corruption is the root cause of the faliure of every measure taken in the improvement of the ares like population, pollution, education, infrastructure, law...... if that is done everything is done,,,comparision will not help,,,,and if we need to copmare then there are any number of countries from the west to be compare,,time for improvement,,,attitude and intergrity towards the nations should be change of the whole society,,,,we are still trapped in hindus,,muslims,,,,etc....
腐败是万恶之源，不论从什么角度来说，人口、污染、教育、基础设施、法律……此事毕，诸事毕，，，比较无济于事，，，，我们要比就和西方國镓比，，发展的长短，，，國镓的态度和完整性会改变整个社会，，，，我们依然纠结于印度教，，穆斯林教，，，，等等……
The comparison is inevitable.....
比较是不可避免的……
by Aneet Aggarwal (View MyPage) on Sep 06, 2010 03:15 PM | Hide replies
I think that its very true that india first should correct itself in key areas like corruption,taxation,education,infrastructure,leadership and governance. chinese have done and so do we can. I think that india should now take some bold economic decisions and show some risk taking ability like china which will help india grow enormously. india with this pace can never match china. we should try to explore our own capabilities and strenghts and work on it a better, we need not copy china in every aconomic decision. India’’s democracy, strong media, entrprenuership and brands are well known in the world. Mass production will reduce cost and thus increase exports. india should work to its full potential
我认为印度真正要做的是改正关键的地方，比如腐败、税收、教育、基础设施、领导阶层和管理能力。中国人做到了，我们也能做到。我认为印度现在应该向中国一样做些大胆的经济决策，展示出承担风险的能力，这样才能有助于印度的长足进步。以印度如今的脚步是永远无法赶上中国的。我们应该尽力发掘出我们自己的能力和长处，发扬光大，我们不需要模仿中国的每一个经济策略。印度有民煮、强势的媒体、企业家以及扬名世界的品牌。大量生产会减低成本并促进出口。印度该开足马力了。
China’’s growth isn’’t likely to slowdown
中国的增长不会放缓
by XianYe (View MyPage) on Sep 06, 2010 12:12 PM | Hide replies
till each and every major province in the country is turned in to a Germany, a France, a Britain, a Spain etc. China has got a long long way to go, even in the well-known field of infrastrcture building with such projects as high-speed rails(13,000km by 2012), expressways(11,000km each year till 2013), nuclear power plants(dozens under construction and more planned or proposed), wind and solar farms(all the rage), etc. China is determined to have all major provinces achieve infrastructure densities as high as those in european states. China is also urbanizing in a huge way. The latest plan is to turn "towns" into "cities". So far, each county has only one "city" where the county seat is located. Soon each
county will have several "cities", meaning, amongst other things, a boom in infrastrcture and housing investments in rural areas. China won’’t stop till its rural population shrinks (from the current 50%) to 5% of the total. Those forecasting, or rather wishing, a slowing, let alone collapsing, China will be sourly disappointed.
中国想要把每个主要的省份变成德国、法国、英国、西班牙……还有很长的路要走。就算是基础设施中的著名项目：高铁（2012年建成13,000公里），高速公路（每年建成11,000公里，直至2013年），核电站（数十个在建中，更多的在规划中及提议中），风能及太阳能发电厂（现在流行这个），等等。中国决心要把所有主要省份的基础设施密度建得和欧洲國镓一样。与此同时，中国也在急剧的城市化中。最新的规划是将“县”变为“城”。迄今为止，每个县只有在县炡椨所在地才算是“城”。很快每个县会有几个“城”，这意味着，多管齐下、齐头并进，偏远地区的基础设施和房地产开发会有一次急速发展。直至农村人口占总人口从如今的50%降至5%。那些预测，或者说盼望中国会减缓发展甚至崩溃的人，会红着眼睛失望的。
Re: China’’s growth isn’’t likely to slowdown
回复：中国的增长不会放缓
The latest news has it that
最新的消息是
by XianYe (View MyPage) on Sep 06, 2010 11:55 AM | Hide replies
China plans to have 260,000km rail tracks by 2020. What’’s India plan?
中国计划在2020年建成260,000公里铁路。印度的计划呢？
AMerica will alway remain the superpower .. because
美国会继续保持超级大国地位…因为
by raj (View MyPage) on Sep 06, 2010 10:56 AM | Hide replies
the world will finance USA lifestyle. That is just the way it is and that is just the way it will be for long time to come. Amercians will enjoy low inflation, big homes , big life, strong currency, strong influence and overall a good lifestyle with excellent purchasing power and best quality standards product.
Good for them, since they helped us to expand our economy by sacrificing their jobs for us..
世界会继续为美国买单，过去如此，以后很长一段时间也会如此。
美国人会继续享有低通胀、大房子、长寿（猜的，原文为big life ——译者），强势的货币，巨大的影响力，以及基于强大购买力和高质量产品的生活方式。
多谢他们牺牲了就业率，为了让我们增长经济……
Can India ever beat China?
印度能超越中国吗？
by vinay gupta (View MyPage) on Sep 06, 2010 08:46 AM | Hide replies
Is the question worthy ? Both countries have their strengths and their weaknesses, and both claim greatness of their civilisations.But what matters is not the past, but the reality of this day and age. With huge problems that are in ways unique to India, and with no sincerity by those who matter, in addressing these, we in India should worry less about competing with China, and focus more on improving our country. As someone said statistics is like a bikini, revealing all but the vitals. Similarly, economists talk of figures, which do not paint the real picture, and most intellectuals are far removed from commonsense and reality. India, dare I say, with its growing burden of problems, internal and external, and you can keep counting; first needs to put its house in order and then look outwards and to China. This is precisely what China did, with clarity, determination and ruthlessness. India is however different from China, and should build and rise on its own strengths, rather than obsess itself with imitating and competing with China or other nations for that matter.
Is China India’’s friend ?
这个问题有价值吗？两个國镓都各有优劣，并且都声称有伟大的文明成就。但最重要的不是过去，而是如今的现实。印度面临的种种问题是独一无二的，而当权者却毫无解决问题的诚意。认清这一点，我们印度就该少去担心怎么和中国比较，而是多专注于如何使我们的國镓进步。有人形容统计学就像比基尼一样，掩盖了最重要的部分。
与之类似，经济学家满口数据，却不能反映真实，大多数学者，则远离了常识和现实。印度，我敢说，就算内部外部的问题不断增加，依然能保持增长。第一要务就是有目的地开发房地产，看看外国，看看中国。这就是中国的做法，清楚明确、下定决心、毫不留情。印度毕竟与中国不一样，应该建立发扬自己的长处，而不是在模仿和攀比中迷失自我，不论是和中国还是别的國镓。
中国是印度的朋友吗？
Not in 40 years
40年之内赶不上
by Vinod Kumar (View MyPage) on Sep 06, 2010 08:20 AM | Hide replies
people in this generation vote only for a \"muslim\",\"brahmin\", \"yadav\" etc.
India will prosper only when we vote for candidates based on integrity
这一代的人只会投票给穆斯林，婆罗门，雅达夫（后两者皆为种姓——译者注）等等。
只有等到我们把票投给正直廉洁的人的时候，印度才能繁荣。
Will we surpass China ?
我们能赶超中国吗？
by Ramanand Rao (View MyPage) on Sep 06, 2010 06:59 AM | Hide replies
Eradicate corruption among our political leaders and top bureacrats and allow the funds and money they swallow for betterment of infrastructure in villages and rural areas.
And ...
WE WILL CATCH UP WITH CHINA faster than you can imagine.
消灭政客的腐败和上层人士的官僚作风，把他们侵吞的钱用来改善农村和偏远地区的基础设施。
然后……
我们赶上中国的速度将快过你的想象。
Chinese lovers
中国情人（不能确定这位仁兄想表达什么意思，可能是说中国卖淫的，因为前段时间印度热炒过中国人卖淫问题 ）
by dev singh (View MyPage) on Sep 06, 2010 05:32 AM | Hide replies
Lot of chinese lovers live in waste bengal.
有很多中国卖淫者生活在西孟加拉。（Waste Bengal = West Bengal = 西孟加拉，属蔑称，因为西孟加拉邦长期由珙产黨执政，左倾，故有 Lot of chinese lovers live in waste bengal 之说。）
China Economy is $5 trillion and nt $7.8 trillion.
中国的经济规模只有5万亿而不是7.8万亿
by Sunny Kapoor (View MyPage) on Sep 06, 2010 05:27 AM | Hide replies
China Economy is $5 trillion and nt $7.8 trillion gets ur facts right if u calculaye PPP than they r $8 trillion and we r $4 trillion.
If u calculate GDP than we r $1.31 trillion and they r $5 trillion.
Rediff i use 2 like u nt anymore.
中国的经济规模只有5万亿而不是7.8万亿，你需要了解事实，如果你计入PPP（购买力平价），他们是8万亿，我们是4万亿。
如果你算GDP，那我们是1.31万亿，他们是5万亿。
Rediff （即采访文章开头那位教授的网站），我用了第二种，跟你们不一样
Can India ever beat China
印度能超越中国吗
by chanchal dutta (View MyPage) on Sep 06, 2010 05:15 AM | Hide replies
India has already defeated China in evry respect of Corruption,swindling of money and trashing black money in Swiss Banks. Economist bull shit we don’’t believe.USA’’s condition has already indicated the readings of so called great economist.They read on the line of Bania culture and their comments do not valid in the societies condition.
印度已经在每个方面打败中国了，腐败、诈骗钱财、往瑞士银行里藏黑钱。我们不相信经济学家的废话。美国的情况已经证明了那些所谓的大经济学家的信条。他们信的是商业文化，而在社会环境里他们的评论毫无价值。
India Karma Bhumi
印度的菩萨果位
by Jignesh Shah (View MyPage) on Sep 06, 2010 12:58 AM | Hide replies
India is karma bhumi and not bhogya bhumi
people come for salvation and not enjoyment
economic prosperity is a myth
real earning is soul realisation
U Realise soul u can turn sand into gold
u can make chips out of sand and program it to work for u
but if u dont know, how much it gives u peace in fact it doubles anxity and tension
real peace and earning is in knowing life and not working with dead things
china converts living things into garbage a living cemetry
only self realisation can bring true prosperity
印度是菩萨果位而不是bhogya（或为bhagya）果位
人生来是为救赎而非享乐
经济繁荣是虚幻的
真正的学习是灵魂的实现
当你实现了灵魂，你能点石成金、撒豆成兵
但是如果你不知道这能带给你多少安宁，你会承担两倍的紧张和焦虑
真正的安宁和学习在于了解生活而非劳作于死物
中国的信徒活在无用之物之间，一座活的坟墓
只有自我的实现才能带来真正的财富
India can surpass China
印度能赶超中国
by IndianEmpire (View MyPage) on Sep 05, 2010 11:26 PM | Hide replies
If we can work hard and think more wise yes we can surpass china in another 20 years. But this is very difficult task and can be achieve if we are truely sincere. India was the richest country in the world 1000 years ago and surely we can have our prosperity back with quality education and high level of nationalism
如果你能够工作更努力一些，思考更明智一些，那么我们能在20年以内赶超中国。这是个艰巨的任务，我们全力以赴就能做到。印度在1000年以前是世界上最富有的國镓，高质量的教育和高水平的民族主义就能为我们重获财富。
Wanted- a real govt
需要一个真正的炡椨
by Bodh Ramdeo (View MyPage) on Sep 05, 2010 11:15 PM | Hide replies
The same ole crap!
When this country can dump the usual weak-kneed, buttlicking, appeasement-centric cretins that presently passes for govt, and install one which has a grand vision, and the balls to make the bold decisions and take bold actions which are necessary for the socio-economic development of the land, then there is perhaps some hope.
But as long as this appeasement-centric Kaangress is in power, this poverty-stricken land of filth and squalor is forever doomed to remain a backward, underdeveloped land of destitution and deprivation.
还是一样的废话！
只有等到我们的炡椨不再由现在这班弯腰屈膝、舔人屁眼、姑息养奸、得了白痴病的人来冒充，而是由有远见、有魄力、敢作敢当的人来取而代之，发展这片土地上的社会和经济，那或许还有点希望。
不过只要这个姑息养奸的国大党继续当权，这片贫困、污秽、悲惨的土地就注定遭受落后的命运，一个贫穷而备受剥削的不发达的國镓。
india can.....
印度能够……
by shiji sajith (View MyPage) on Sep 05, 2010 04:37 PM | Hide replies
INDIA CAN PROGRESS LIKE CHINA OR ANY DEVELOPED NATION ONLY IF WE COULD CONTROL OUR POPULATION GROWTH OTHERWISE WE WILL BE CREATING SOME RICH PEOPLE IN THIS WORLD OR INCREASE THE DISTANCE BETWEEN RICH AND POOR.THINK AUSTRALIA IT IS HAVING LESS THAN 2 CRORE PEOPLE AND LAND MORE THAN TWICE INDIA.WE HAVE MORE THAN 100 CRORES PEOPLE.IMAGINE IN DIA IF IT HAS ONLY 2 CRORE PEOPLE AND THIS MUCH RESOURSES.
只要我们能控制我们的人口，印度就能像中国或者任何别的國镓一样发展。否则我们就会制造一些一流的富人，或者拉大贫富差距。想想澳大利亚，人口不到两千万，土地却是我们的两倍。我们有超过十亿人。想像一下，如果印度只有两千万人，却拥有和现在一样的资源。
Re: india can.....
回复：印度能够……
by redforumer (View MyPage) on Sep 06, 2010 09:49 AM
Neverth say, sometimes, i can even say on many occasions our population is tremendous power what we have...
Only the need on the occasion will power and positive directional approach
千万别这么说，有时候，我甚至能说在许多情况下，人口让我们拥有惊人力量……
只有在需要的情况下，（人口的）力量和积极性才会显现
India is better than china
印度比中国好
by Vascoda gama (View MyPage) on Sep 05, 2010 04:03 PM | Hide replies
Even if we consider in any respect, India is far better than china. That is why China is doing business with our country. How can we ignore that achievements of Chandrayan by our indian scientists?
I came to know from a Korean( working in china and now he is in india and working with my organization) that some villages in China do not have Electricity, medical, transportation fascilities. At least our country is emerging in this respect.
It is known and agreed that our political leaders are Ideal and Idols of corruption, but there are many good people in this country working for the welfare.
India has more than 4000 years of civilization. one of the major religion in china roots to Indian origin. Huent sang, a chinese ambassador praised India as the best nation in his manuscripts.
Problems are everywhere(including USA, china etc). Poverty is also everywhere. It is only time can cure these problems. Wait and watch. |
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