好人做到底，说说我的打法和我认为8da大神打的不合理的地方
本帖最后由 @heaven 于 2014-4-12 13:17 编辑先说第一手牌
PokerStars Hand #114632626056: Hold'em No Limit ($0.50/$1.00 USD) - 2014/04/11 13:30:42 ET
Table 'Schilt II' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: zkr1985 ($151.32 in chips)
Seat 2: AK_KK_KQ ($95.66 in chips)
Seat 4: sandol ($108.11 in chips)
Seat 5: BOAYARSKIY ($60.92 in chips)
Seat 7: 406604 ($98.50 in chips)
Seat 8: sanpidk ($100 in chips)
Seat 9: SpainT9 ($100 in chips)
SpainT9: posts small blind $0.50
zkr1985: posts big blind $1
AnalniyPirat: sits out
GluciuS: sits out
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to zkr1985
AK_KK_KQ: folds
sandol: folds
BOAYARSKIY: raises $1.13 to $2.13
406604: folds
sanpidk: folds
SpainT9: folds
zkr1985: raises $4.37 to $6.50
BOAYARSKIY: calls $4.37
*** FLOP ***
zkr1985: bets $8
AK_KK_KQ leaves the table
BOAYARSKIY: raises $13.50 to $21.50
Ouga Buga joins the table at seat #2
zkr1985: raises $123.32 to $144.82 and is all-in
BOAYARSKIY: calls $32.92 and is all-in
Uncalled bet ($90.40) returned to zkr1985
*** TURN ***
*** RIVER ***
*** SHOW DOWN ***
zkr1985: shows (a pair of Kings)
BOAYARSKIY: shows (two pair, Tens and Nines)
BOAYARSKIY collected $119.54 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $122.34 | Rake $2.80
Board
Seat 1: zkr1985 (big blind) showed and lost with a pair of Kings
Seat 2: AK_KK_KQ folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: sandol folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: BOAYARSKIY showed and won ($119.54) with two pair, Tens and Nines
Seat 7: 406604 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: sanpidk (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: SpainT9 (small blind) folded before Flop
这牌谱他发的第一时间我就出来说打错了， 看不懂牌谱的水平就别看了，我说我ak中A了flop 肯定check call. raise的起你的牌一个TPTK根本吃不消all in ,pot里才20多刀推个100多刀的all in.
这牌的think level 很简单，
首先是对手后位做open ,只2bb, 不管对手形象，可以做简单估计了
range包括A小踢脚，中等到小的口袋对，很漂亮的结构牌，A挂一个不错的踢脚，两张10以上的高张，再扩大一点，到稍微大一点的口袋对慢打也不是不可能。
ZKR1985 ep AK做3bet一点也没错。3bet后对手平call，基本排除了大口袋对的可能，大口袋对肯定是要4bet弹回来， 除非AA可以平ｃａｌｌ你慢打，ＫＫ也可能是可能性都很小了。
这时候就有ｔｈｉｎｋ ｌｅｖｅｌ了，３ｂｅｔ后自己是什么形象呢？ 前位３ｂｅｔ基本只有两种牌， １：两高张，ＡＱ ＡＫ ＱＫ ，２：大口袋对。
flop发出来 k 9 10， 我一般是check的 ｃａｌｌ
原因很简单，
1这牌面不简单了，你落后的话outs已经很少了
对手的range里包括了9 T TK ９９ ＴＴ ＪＱ 慢打的ＡＡＫＫ
２如果对手的牌不在这个ｒａｎｇｅ 里，他能ｃａｌｌ的动Ｃｂｅｔ的ｒａｎｇｅ是什么呢？
而你又有ｖａｕｌｅ ＡＴ ＡＫ ＱＫ ｊｋ ８９
这种牌力是很明显的
你能拿到价值的牌，他们只有２～３个ｏｕｔｓ！ 被ＢＢ的可能性基本为６％～８％，只有一手８９ 对你是８ｏｕｔｓ，但是８９多半不会主动开枪。
但是你ｃｈｅｃｋ过去呢？
１ 你能拿到价值的牌的ｒａｎｇｅ瞬间扩大，
被盖了三顶帽的口袋对或者中低对 可能觉得你是两高张ｍｉｓｓ
２ 两高张ｍｉｓｓ觉得你盖了２顶帽的口袋对开不动枪。
３ 本来ｃａｌｌ的动你Ｃｂｅｔ的对你只有２～３ｏｕｔｓ的几乎１００％会主动开枪。ＡＴ ＱＫ ｊｋ，这是跑不掉的ｖａｕｌｅ．
收到ｖａｕｌｅ的可能性瞬间大了一倍。
而你的风险几乎没变还是６％－８％
如果你已经落后，你就已经成功的控了ｐｏｔ．
我不说我的打法，继续说ｚｋｒ１９８５的打法，ｔｐｔｋ ｃｂｅｔ不是不可以，遇到反抗，就要重新开始考虑他的ｒａｎｇｅ了，
他的ｒａｎｇｅ包括
ＡＴ ＪＫ ＱＫ 总共这三手落后你的牌，或者 ９Ｔ ＪＱ ＴＴ ９９ ＴＫ ９ｋｓ ＡＡ ＫＫ 这些领先你的牌，以及很小的可能性的８９
很明显你已经赢不了什么牌了。
而ｐｏｔ只有２０多美金， 你１００多美金 推出去别人一声ｃａｌｌ 你基本ｄｒａｗｉｎｇ ｄｅａｄ
即使已经Ｃｂｅｔ，别人Ｒａｉｓｅ 了，你能赢的牌只有ＡＴ JK QK这三手， 你最多5bet回去，别人敢ＡＬＬ ｉｎ 你就ｆｏｌｄ了。
后手１００多刀完全有回头的余地的
本身ａｋ 就不领先９ｔ 多少（只领先２０％） 这牌怎么能说是运气不好，只能说是打错了。
再说第二手牌
zkr1985(20310964) 3:33:54
PokerStars Hand #114638628875: Hold'em No Limit ($0.50/$1.00 USD) - 2014/04/11 15:32:44 ET
Table 'Aguntina' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: Anyuta123 ($79.57 in chips)
Seat 2: zkr1985 ($201.76 in chips)
Seat 3: J0k3rF4c3_FD ($103.14 in chips)
Seat 4: Davinao ($101.50 in chips)
Seat 5: m3nix ($100 in chips)
Seat 6: MuffyZ ($105.87 in chips)
Seat 7: volandNEW ($207.89 in chips)
Seat 8: drive20555 ($77.77 in chips)
Seat 9: Slavikkkk7 ($103.71 in chips)
volandNEW: posts small blind $0.50
drive20555: posts big blind $1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to zkr1985
Slavikkkk7: folds
Anyuta123: raises $2 to $3
zkr1985: raises $7 to $10
J0k3rF4c3_FD: folds
Davinao: folds
m3nix: folds
MuffyZ: folds
volandNEW: folds
drive20555: folds
Anyuta123: calls $7
*** FLOP ***
Anyuta123: checks
zkr1985: bets $12
Anyuta123: calls $12
*** TURN ***
Anyuta123: checks
zkr1985: bets $24
Anyuta123: calls $24
*** RIVER ***
Anyuta123: checks
zkr1985: bets $68.02
Anyuta123: calls $33.57 and is all-in
Uncalled bet ($34.45) returned to zkr1985
*** SHOW DOWN ***
zkr1985: shows (a pair of Queens)
Anyuta123: shows (two pair, Kings and Jacks)
Anyuta123 collected $157.84 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $160.64 | Rake $2.80
Board
Seat 1: Anyuta123 showed and won ($157.84) with two pair, Kings and Jacks
Seat 2: zkr1985 showed and lost with a pair of Queens
Seat 3: J0k3rF4c3_FD folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Davinao folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: m3nix folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: MuffyZ (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: volandNEW (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: drive20555 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: Slavikkkk7 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
这个牌我在后卫turn上保证Check控pot
别人call的动你的牌包括
被盖一顶帽的口袋对 (TT )。J挂一个不错的踢脚（比如10 J）JQ JK AJ
以及摇摇领先你的牌 AA KK 78 90 77 88 JJ，
以及很强很强的抽牌，顺花双抽，带队抽花，两高张抽花，等等
但是这些牌多半会在flop check raise . call你3bet的两小张抽花的可能性也很小了。
turn上他check 给你绝对可以控pot了。 river 出个K是非常危险的牌。 让你只能赢 10J jQ Aj这三手牌了， Turn上出K，别人check 就求show down了。river根本没有任何打的必要，turn上打了也就算了，river 绝对求show down了，抽牌，miss是绝对不可能支付你的， 剩下的range里只有3手落后你，十几手领先你
胸大威武荡漾 熊大威武 本帖最后由 玖哥 于 2014-4-12 12:45 编辑
熊大确实分析得很对啊!
不过下面这个牌局,我还是想请教一下熊大,如何能秒读出别人顶二对???
zkr1985(20310964) 3:33:54
PokerStars Hand #114638628875: Hold'em No Limit ($0.50/$1.00 USD) - 2014/04/11 15:32:44 ET
Table 'Aguntina' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: Anyuta123 ($79.57 in chips)
Seat 2: zkr1985 ($201.76 in chips)
Seat 3: J0k3rF4c3_FD ($103.14 in chips)
Seat 4: Davinao ($101.50 in chips)
Seat 5: m3nix ($100 in chips)
Seat 6: MuffyZ ($105.87 in chips)
Seat 7: volandNEW ($207.89 in chips)
Seat 8: drive20555 ($77.77 in chips)
Seat 9: Slavikkkk7 ($103.71 in chips)
volandNEW: posts small blind $0.50
drive20555: posts big blind $1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to zkr1985
Slavikkkk7: folds
Anyuta123: raises $2 to $3
zkr1985: raises $7 to $10
J0k3rF4c3_FD: folds
Davinao: folds
m3nix: folds
MuffyZ: folds
volandNEW: folds
drive20555: folds
Anyuta123: calls $7
*** FLOP ***
Anyuta123: checks
zkr1985: bets $12
Anyuta123: calls $12
*** TURN ***
Anyuta123: checks
zkr1985: bets $24
Anyuta123: calls $24
*** RIVER ***
Anyuta123: checks
zkr1985: bets $68.02
Anyuta123: calls $33.57 and is all-in
Uncalled bet ($34.45) returned to zkr1985
*** SHOW DOWN ***
zkr1985: shows (a pair of Queens)
Anyuta123: shows (two pair, Kings and Jacks)
Anyuta123 collected $157.84 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $160.64 | Rake $2.80
Board
Seat 1: Anyuta123 showed and won ($157.84) with two pair, Kings and Jacks
Seat 2: zkr1985 showed and lost with a pair of Queens
Seat 3: J0k3rF4c3_FD folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Davinao folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: m3nix folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: MuffyZ (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: volandNEW (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: drive20555 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: Slavikkkk7 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
zkr1985(20310964) 3:33:56
好苦啊
熊大(16317506) 3:34:13
我再看一下他有没有打错
熊大(16317506) 3:34:41
AA赢QQ这种不叫水平好，就是运气好
玖哥(471228797) 3:35:23
大神还是深深水上啊
玖哥(471228797) 3:35:33
今晚又二2K刀到手了?
熊大(16317506) 3:35:40
这牌River鱼call了
熊大(16317506) 3:36:00
这牌river绝对鱼call ，秒读别人顶两对
胡一刀(506051146) 3:36:01
这牌River鱼call了
玖哥(471228797) 3:36:27
人家check raise
玖哥(471228797) 3:36:35
怎么秒读别人顶二对?
玖哥(471228797) 3:36:43
你会看牌谱?
玖哥(471228797) 3:37:03
check call
玖哥(471228797) 3:37:18
熊大?
熊大(16317506) 3:37:30
要是我river我就控pot了，check call ， 别人call你两条街 已经没有必要把自己打套池了
八达第一玖蜜(460151758) 3:37:40
熊大威武
熊大(16317506) 3:37:51
别人AAKK慢打 中set 养两手都有可能
八达第一玖蜜(460151758) 3:38:07
是大神自己打Allin的哦..
玖哥(471228797) 3:38:08
那和秒读别人顶二对有一毛钱关系?
熊大(16317506) 3:38:13
river 肯定是不能确认自己领先
八达第一玖蜜(460151758) 3:38:32
不过熊大说的一定是对的
玖哥(471228797) 3:38:33
不能确认自己领先就是别人顶二对?
熊大(16317506) 3:38:44
是他打别人三条街，别人Raise 到all in他鱼call好吗？
完全不知道说什么 湖底通了网线就是烦 当年炒股集好像出到十了。现在又搞德州了，手法还是一样的，理论之后贴贴qq聊天截图。
你不做传销真浪费熊才了。 败人品节奏 这些我们都看不懂啊 要不建个群？ 熊大威武！ 熊大分析的真心对啊,请教下熊神,哪里可以找到好的单挑的视频看?最好是比赛的,WSOP决赛桌的单挑我基本都看过,NATIONAL HEADS UP那种电视节目我不喜欢看 这些我们都看不懂啊 要不建个群？
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